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2005/07/15

Quantum Immortality

Does the 'many-worlds' interpretation imply immortality?
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Wikipedia: Quantum immortality

In the Schrödinger's cat experiment, what would happen from the cat's point of view? Would the cat's consciousness be split in two, with one consciousness living and the other vanishing into the sweet hereafter? Or would the cat, having the special status of being an observer, perceive itself as following the more fortunate fork in the quantum road and thus avoid death?

To quote the Wikipedia page:
The idea comes from a variant of the quantum suicide thought experiment. Suppose a physicist standing beside a nuclear bomb tries to detonate it. In almost all parallel universes, the nuclear explosion will vaporize the physicist. However, there is a small set of alternate universes in which the physicist somehow survives. The idea behind quantum immortality is that the physicist is only alive in, and thus able to experience, one of the universes in which a miraculous survival occurs, even though these universes form a small subset of the possible universes. In this way, the physicist would appear, from a personal point of view, to be living forever.

We should all hope to Ghawd that quantum immortality is a mere figment of the physicists' imaginations.

This wouldn't be immortality for one and for all. Only one person in the universe would benefit -- namely, you!

Your consciousness would never cease, but all those around you (whose consciousness you don't have the privilege of sharing) would be subject to the normal limits of biology. But from their point of view, they would each be immortal, and all those around them, including you, wouldn't.

It would be a perverse form of immortality. You would live to see your family and friends grow old and die. You would live to see civilization rise, and fall. You would live to see the end of the human race. You would live until the Sun went supernova and the Earth was vaporised into a cloud of ash. And still you'd live.

Maybe "live" isn't the right word. Technically, your consciousness would continue. That says nothing about the body. Since your consciousness is seated in the brain, there's no need for the rest of your body to exist.

A trillion years from now, only your brain would remain, quivering, spinning through the void, conscious (alive?) only because of an infinitely improbably sequence of quantum events that lets your synapses keep firing.

Thanks to the many worlds interpretation, you wouldn't be alone (in a conceptual sense at least). The same fate would befall every sentient being who has ever existed, and will ever exist, in the cosmos. You would have the cold comfort of knowing that, in an uncountable infinity of eternally disconnected universes, others are experiencing exactly what you are.

And I'm sure they'd all be thinking the same thing: "CURSE YOU, QUANTUM MECHANICS? WHY WILL YOU NOT LET ME DIE? WHYYY?"

For in the Church of Quantum Immortality, there is no Heaven -- only Hell.


61 Comments:

  • At 9/24/2005 6:44 PM, Anonymous badnewswade said…

    That's... kind of depressing.

    And I thought I was afraid of death!

     
  • At 12/07/2005 7:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hmmm...very kool, well i hope im not that person....although it woulnt b that bad.....you would get used to it in time.

     
  • At 12/26/2005 2:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The level or intensity of conciousness is a key question here. It is far more likely that in a fatal accident you end up in a coma rather than miraculously survive unaffected. And in the coma you propably dream. A dream in a coma-like state of mind is a much lower level of conciousness, but it's still a state of awareness. And a much more likely state to end up in than a fully aware "I" in a void 10 billion years after the sun died. I can remember a dream from last night. I really DID experience the dream, but not once thought "hey, I exist right now" while dreaming. So, even if quantum immortality is a fact (which it maybe isn't if MWI isn't true), we shouldn't worry about a hellish experience of immortality.

     
  • At 12/26/2005 9:38 AM, Blogger Derek said…

    Yes, if the many-worlds-interpretation is true, then you have to ask, "then why can I sleep?" One answer is that sleep is a form of consciousness. Also, of QI is true, then it should be impossible to be anesthetized, unless that's another form of consciousness.

     
  • At 1/05/2006 6:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    though its true that quantum immortality is what makes the existence of hell possible, it is in the mind of each individual consiousness that heaven or hell is created. having experienced quantum immortality (death), i have learned that heaven is all around you on earth if you only open your perceptions to it. the same is true for hell of course, for those individuals whose perception is closed.

     
  • At 2/27/2006 9:59 AM, Blogger Roger said…

    There might be some universes in which it is impossible to be anaesthetised. But in those in which it is possible, you survive to remember the experience of waking up. This is unlike death.

     
  • At 4/25/2006 11:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    That will explain how that guy managed to shoot 12: 1 inch nails through his head as a suicide attempt and totally and utterly screw it up by missing all vital areas of the brain and arteries.

    Link:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12425803/

     
  • At 4/26/2006 9:33 AM, Blogger Derek said…

    Crazy bastard. He was on meth at the time, which I suppose partially explains it.

    I think he missed his calling though. He should have become a professional Russian roulette player. He would have made a mint.

     
  • At 8/14/2006 12:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I recently came upon the idea of quantum suicide/immortality although I have known about the MWI of quantum mechanics for years.

    Reading about QI for the first time, I must say it sends shivers down my spine. Have you ever woken up suddenly in the middle of the night, realizing that you had been asleep, and realize at that instant that that is what death must be like (state of unconsciousness) but then immediately, the overwhelming feeling of helplessness and hopelessness rush in, as you realize that unlike sleep you just experienced, there will be no awakening after death? That you will die someday... Now I wonder, in those instances, perhaps I have died in my sleep in other universes, but that I have awoken only in the one that I remain conscious of?

    With QI, in effect, everyone lives in his own personal universe. It is his continual state of consciousness that is continually creating a world for himself.

    You don't need to perform the quantum suicide/Schrodinger Cat experiment to prove to yourself the MWI of QM. After 125 years, when the press is heralding you as the longest living person in human history, you will know.

     
  • At 8/14/2006 7:02 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    I guess we'll all find out (if QI is a fact) in a hundred years or so.

     
  • At 10/03/2006 11:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i think your a fucking prick to put something like this on here i hope it happens to you

     
  • At 10/03/2006 12:09 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    What's the matter loser, you got some gripe against quantum physics?

     
  • At 10/03/2006 1:29 PM, Blogger riskross25 said…

    would you do this ex to find out i dought it but it is interesting

     
  • At 10/06/2006 9:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    derek i can honestly say your article has ruined my life my uncle read it also he said its possible but the chances are slim can you please help get my life back on track i know sound i like paranoid punk but i need your help plz thanks

     
  • At 10/06/2006 9:51 AM, Blogger Derek said…

    I consulted the quantum physics newsgroups, and it seems that there are a few chemicals that are immune to the effects of quantum mechanics.

    One of them is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). That's the chemical that's found in marijuana.

    My advice, if you want to avoid the detrimental effects of quantum physics, is to make sure that there is always a trace amount of THC in your bloodstream.

    Not sure how you would go about that, but where there's a will, there's a way!

     
  • At 10/06/2006 1:26 PM, Blogger riskross25 said…

    all your saying is that consiousness is eternal no shit thanks to our collective conious we have a great afterlife death is an illusion

     
  • At 10/07/2006 9:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what do you have to say now Derek your article is not going to happen

     
  • At 10/07/2006 1:24 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    What about those poor athiests out there... they don't have an eternal afterlife to look forward to.

     
  • At 10/07/2006 3:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    it doesnt matter man our collective consious has taken on a mind of its own i truly belive that an observer can change an outcome but we would have to change as a whole

     
  • At 10/07/2006 4:35 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    I stand corrected... in this universe at least.

    However, in many of the infinitude of alternate universes predicted by the "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics, I'm am actually correct, and you are wrong.

     
  • At 10/08/2006 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    derek what do you think is going to happen when you die?

     
  • At 10/08/2006 11:24 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    I'm open to every possibility, so my answer is: "I don't know."

     
  • At 10/11/2006 11:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    derek according to quantum mechanics we are all immortal

     
  • At 10/16/2006 1:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    whom ever made this blog would you do this expieremnt the suicicde one if you did you would be like you said in hell?

     
  • At 10/16/2006 2:21 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    Nah, I'm pretty busy these days, I'll let someone else volunteer to do a quantum suicide experiment.

     
  • At 10/16/2006 3:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    yeah i think it would be a bit risky anyway...now back to your thought-provoking message do you think this is going to happen to you..? i mean imagine that you wouldnt be to happy would you.

     
  • At 10/17/2006 4:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hello?

     
  • At 10/17/2006 5:10 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. It's just a theory. Nothing's been proven either way. Sort of like the theory of evolution, or the theory of God.

    If it does happen, there's not much I can do about it, except resign myself to my fate... That fate being AN ETERNITY IN MY OWN PERSONAL HELL!!!

     
  • At 10/17/2006 7:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ok if your saying that just death is a quantum mechanical event then everyone will unquestionably live forever which is bullshit

     
  • At 10/18/2006 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ive read things on this and many of them say its improbable

     
  • At 10/19/2006 2:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    derek will agree with me that the chances of this happening are small?

     
  • At 10/19/2006 3:10 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    Yes, I agree, because quantum mechanics will probably be superceded by a more advanced theory in which quantum immortality is no longer a possibility.

     
  • At 10/19/2006 4:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    even if they dont come up with a new theory will still agree with me that the chances of this happening are very small i mean lets be realistic here i seriously dought ud be aware in a trillion fucking years agree with me man.

     
  • At 10/20/2006 2:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ??

     
  • At 10/20/2006 2:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ??

     
  • At 10/20/2006 6:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    yo derek did you read me

     
  • At 10/21/2006 2:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    wow i read this and was like shit i agree with the person who said i dought you will be a fully aware. actaully ive read other stuff that said it to does that make sense i guess your name is derek..?

     
  • At 10/22/2006 7:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    infinitely. ok what can you tell me about a trillion years ago huh?

     
  • At 10/23/2006 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hello what about a trillion years ago man helLLLo

     
  • At 10/24/2006 3:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    did you hear me, infinitly in that sentence means forwards backwards so tell me what i was a trillion years ago!

     
  • At 10/24/2006 5:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what about people that have died actually died and comeback saying that they went to heaven or they saw there family etc.

     
  • At 10/27/2006 6:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    answer me what about people who have died

     
  • At 10/27/2006 10:27 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    I don't know how many anonymous people I'm arguing with here, but c'mon on man, the original blog post stands by itself! If you agree, fine, if you don't agree, that's fine too. I'm not gonna argue forever and forever on the detailed technicalities of the theory.

    Probably a better place to argue is the wikipedia discussion page, which is where I got the original idea. It is located here:

    WIKIPEDIA DISCUSSION


    Good luck with your arguments.

     
  • At 11/15/2006 4:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    so i could live to be 125 or 150 etc i really dought id have any concept of self at that age any thoughts

     
  • At 11/16/2006 1:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    any thoughts?

     
  • At 11/16/2006 2:23 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    Are you the same anonymous who was arguing earlier?

    Anyways, some people get Alzhiemers when they get old, and some people remain sharp of mind. I figure the same thing would happen with quantum immortality.

     
  • At 11/21/2006 6:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    no im a new..? That is true but at age 150 i dought id be sharp of mind. NOW if my brain could quantum tunnel into a new one this would be possible but that doesnt effect the predictions anymore than my brain quantum tunneling into a rock.

     
  • At 12/26/2006 10:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If this is true, than a proper understanding of this reality is required for one own happiness.

    Consciousness changes over time, and even in ones own few decades that most of us perceive here on Earth, ones understanding of reality evolves with time.

    It is reasonable that perhaps as one lives longer, one exists in universes that differ from what one would expect from this one at large.

    Think about it, for as one continues for centuries, one is existing in more and more improbable realities.

    However, with such knowledge as we might posses about reality, we have a choice of going passively, or actively using our knowledge.

    Play the lottery...!..

    LOL! There is a chance that the theory isn't correct, so I wouldn't think of doing this until I am 80 plus years old without any real meaningful advances in bio/nano medicine.

    Let's say one is near 90 and in poor shape as well as almost broke. In my case, this would be in the year 2045.

    I could build a machine that would be in contact with a computer that would read my lotto ticket, and retreive info from the net as to the winning numbers.

    I could program the machine to kill me in the losing universes.

    The outcome would in all probability be either.

    1. I would die, for there is a flaw in the many worlds theory. That would be just fine 'cause my life as a poor 90 year old with frailty is a reasonable gamble.

    2. I would win, and be a rich 90 year old.

    The above would only be the beginning.

    I would build a much more advanced version of the quantum lotto machine.

    The new one would take metabolic readings and would be set to, well, eliminate my subjectivity from universes in which they were less than what I found desirable.

    Readings of blood pressure, stress test, physical strength, even relexes, I.Q. could be adjusted using this theory.

    A frail, rich 90 plus year old could adjust fringe probablities to ones own advantage, becoming almost a "quantum god", for lack of a better term.

    The above would be, obviously only the beggining.

    As time would flow, one could also use the above to adjust levels of consiousness on a mystical level as well..

    Perhaps, after a while, one would no longer be a physical space/time entity, but would evolve to supercede it.

    It is only those with a limited, trunctated imagination that would believe a better understanding of such a reality is to relegate us to a "hell".

    But, we may ultimately make our own heaven or hell, or both...

     
  • At 1/21/2007 1:46 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    Quantum suicide can get wierder than just winning a lottery. If you rigged up a device that will kill you tomorrow if the world was not at peace... then suddenly, in your particular worldline, the world would be at peace! It would have to be! The same argument could be made that pigs would sprout wings and start flying, in your worldline, if you planned to kill yourself if pigs didn't fly by tomorrow.

    (Quantum immortality raises some pretty strange paradoxes, to say the least.)

     
  • At 2/04/2007 2:19 AM, Anonymous nigel said…

    My two bits: I think you've summed up QI well, but I'm not sure that I agree that its final result is hell. Personally, I think of it as a continuing lesson in the impermanence of all things.

    When that impermanence is accepted, as it would have to be eventually, then we become Buddhas. And with that extinction of the ego, we attain Nirvana -- each and every one of us, before the universe puts up the chairs and turns off the lights...

    Not that I know for sure. But I don't think an eternity as a screaming brain, floating in the void is the only possible result of QI.

    Incidentally, did the movie The Fountain remind anybody of Quantum Immortality? The main character living far into the future while his love passes away...

     
  • At 2/04/2007 9:25 AM, Blogger Derek said…

    Interesting comment Nigel about how some religions have a QI aspect to them.

     
  • At 4/11/2007 5:55 PM, Blogger boris kolar said…

    Derek, a brain doesn't have to survive. Your consciousness is not the brain (as matter), but information manifested in the brain. So instead of dying you could wake up as an alien, who was dreaming about being human. Eventually, quantum immortality implies almightiness as well, so you could eventually learn how to create your own environment. Perhaps you already have :) Maybe you even caused yourself a temporary loss of memory to make things more exciting.

     
  • At 4/11/2007 7:41 PM, Blogger Derek said…

    Cool idea Boris. I'm a materialist though, so I don't think there's another realm beyond physical particles, etc. That's not to say that our consciousness will leave atoms and become calculated by the interaction of photons or quarks or neutrinos or whatever.

    No, I don't think the universe is my own creation, I'm not imaginitive enough to think up the weird things I see here!

     
  • At 10/21/2007 3:17 PM, Blogger Doug said…

    Derek, what would you make of someone who couldn't fall asleep because they couldn't stop observing their own conscious state? That's what happened to me about 7 years ago. I've been thinking that my observing is preventing a wavefunction collapse or decoherence, which sounds something like quantum insomnia to me. I've got my history of this on my blog, if you're interested...

    http://quantuminsomnia.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 5/20/2008 7:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Wow, I have read and understood the immortal Quantum speculation but your paradigm of each and every world having in the end only one inhabitant is the nightmare of nightmares. Could this be hell?? I mean really, not the fairytale hell with flames and whatnot but the REAL one. Hell in greek is 'kollasi' that means 'separation'. The notion of this just bring me chills.

     
  • At 5/20/2008 7:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Wow, I have read and understood the immortal Quantum speculation but your paradigm of each and every world having in the end only one inhabitant is the nightmare of nightmares. Could this be hell?? I mean really, not the fairytale hell with flames and whatnot but the REAL one. Hell in greek is 'kollasi' that means 'separation'. The notion of this just bring me chills.

     
  • At 5/20/2008 8:11 PM, Anonymous Derek said…

    I think if there is any inherent justice in the universe, then this quantum hell would be an impossibility.

    Actually, I think the idea of quantum consciousness has too many holes to be a fact.

     
  • At 5/20/2008 8:15 PM, Blogger Derek said…

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  • At 12/05/2009 11:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Don't worry, this isn't actually true - even if Many Worlds is the correct interpretation, Quantum Immortality can't be real. This scientific paper explains why quite well: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00004449/01/VSQI-09.pdf

    If you can't be bothered to read it all, scroll down to the last third (A General Argument against Immortality)

    So don't worry. You will get to die. :-)

     
  • At 12/06/2009 9:39 AM, Anonymous Derek said…

    Thanks for the link!

     
  • At 3/18/2010 8:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Mallah also gives a "general argument against immortality" which argues that if people are immortal, then it is vanishingly unlikely to find oneself to be of a normal age rather than abnormally old.

    It has been countered that in a M.W.I. the amplitude of being the living experimenter can be halved repeatedly without ever reaching zero. However, this point is not disputed by opponents of quantum suicide; rather, they claim that it is not the issue, while Mallah claims that the decrease in measure is the issue.

     
  • At 3/18/2010 9:00 AM, Blogger Derek said…

    Interesting. I've heard a similar argument that humanity's existence will be short lived. If it wasn't we would be conscious of our civilization having a history going back billions of years, in all probability.

     

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